Large Family - The Bartons and their Brood
Jane PUTLAND and Walter BARTON, 1655- 1725 are my 7 X Gt Grandparents. They lived, multiplied, died and were buried in Hadlow Kent in England. Walter was a yeoman and the family lived in 'Court Lodge'. Estimate marked on the map.
Kent in England. Large map showing the approximate position of Hadlow.
According to other online Family History website researchers they had SIXTEEN children, and this is something I am in the process of verifying. There are births with names repeated from earlier children and confusion over dates. This can occur on Family History Websites and anything you take from there needs to be researched further to find out its truth and if it fits with your family and has the correct information. It was listed that Walter had already had 2 children to his first wife, Mary CHEESMAN.
1. Elizabeth BARTON born on 05 Dec 1683 in Hadlow, Kent, England.
2. Mary BARTON born on 06 May 1685 in Hadlow, Kent, England.
But on the Barton Historical and Genealogical Society ‘Barton database’ (One Name Study) they list Mary Cheesman being married 13 Feb 1682 to Thomas Barton a brother of Walter’s. Thomas also had another spouse Sarah Stephens.
So, we can cross out those first two children of Walter’s as he was not married to Mary Cheesman (greyed out) according to the ‘Barton database’.
Walter was 35yo and Jane 20yo when they married in 1690.
The Family History website says Walter and Jane had the following children in Hadlow, Kent, England.
Thomas BARTON 08 May 1689 - 12 Sep 1741 ......................
John BARTON 11 Mar 1690 - 26 Aug 1768 ...........................
Walter BARTON 27 May 1691 - 25 Jul 1740. He married Sarah FRANCE on 26 Jul 1722 in St Benet Paul's Wharf Parish, London. (They are my 6XGt Grandparents.)
Ann BARTON 26 Jul 1692 – 11 May 1699 died at 7 yo.
Thomas BARTON 05 Feb 1693 – 1789.
John BARTON 21 May 1695 - 11 Sep 1729. Bef 1695
Sarah BARTON 02 Feb 1696 ....................................................
George BARTON 29 Oct 1696 - 19 Jan 1743.
Anthony BARTON 21 Jun 1698 in Great Longstone, Derbys, Kent, - 01 Sep 1783 in Hadlow, Kent. ................
Ann BARTON 11 May 1699 - 12 Sep 1722 - The dates seem a strange coincidence that she was born the same day her namesake died. STILL TO CHECK
Stephen BARTON 11 Jun 1702 - 31 Oct 1721.
Elizabeth BARTON 18 Jun 1704- 16 Jan 1783.
Alice BARTON 29 Jun 1707.
Putland BARTON 08 Mar 1708 - 10 Dec 1723.
Mary BARTON 1712-?
Thomas BARTON 1714 -?
Checking this out on the ‘Barton Database’ I see that they have listed TWELVE children born to Walter and Jane. Four of the ones above are not listed as part of this family. Of them, Thomas is listed as the son of Thomas Barton and Elizabeth Browne. The other three are not included in the database.
So this very large family could end up being just a simple tun of the milll large size family after all !
The twelve children that are part of the family have their dates pretty much right, except for the two highlighted in green, and the date coincidence of the two Ann’s.
I will keep researching till I can sort out as much as possible, after all genealogy is an ongoing business.
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PS I would love to hear from any descendants of the Barton family who have sorted any of this out and verified it.
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* August 2023.
Thanks to a comment on this blog, by an 'unknown' reader whose wife is an eight times descendant of Walter and Jane Barton, I visited a site online. 'The Weald of Kent, Surrey and Sussex.'
https://theweald.org/home.asp
On there, is a family tree for Walter and Jane Barton, with ten children. I have now highlighted the list above in red those children not belonging to Walter and Jane according to this information.
See images below.
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| Walter & Jane Barton's tree with their 10 children Walter, Ann, Thomas, John, George, Ann, Stephen, Elizabeth, Alice, and Putland |
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Walter's parents and siblings. |
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| Walter Barton's Grandparents, uncles and aunts |
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Thank you, Chris
You'll get it all sorted eventually... I think our ancestors like to tease us at times...hiding a few pertinent facts here and there.
Thank you Chris. I guess it wouldn't be so interesting if the facts were easy to find !
DeleteIt seems entirely possible to me that the second Ann Barton was named after the first Ann who died. I don't think it is a 'strange coincidence' but, rather, a recognition of or a memorial to the first Ann. Hope this helps.
ReplyDeleteI agree wth you about the parents using the same name again, I have had that happen in families previously. It was the fact that the second Ann was born on the same day the other Ann died, that interested me.
ReplyDeleteThere is a very good website at theweald.org, which shows that Walter and Jane had 10 children. Walter's father, Thomas, is my wife's 8xGGF.
ReplyDeleteThank you ‘Unknown’ for your tip. So glad you found my blog and I shall follow up your lead. Sounds like your wife and I are distantly related, hey?
DeleteThanks again